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Hachiko
May 28, 2004, 00:03
Not Japanese Wai Wai, but still Wai Wai nonetheless, owait?

In the latest act of sanitizing New York's mean streets, lawmakers want to rid the city of a scourge most people are not even aware of -- previously worn lingerie being sold as new merchandise.

Yahoo! News (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20040527/od_nm/odd_lingerie_dc)

Lina Inverse
May 29, 2004, 03:04
At first I thought that they would intentionally offer worn underwear like in Japan... but such a thing would be absolutely impossible in the prude US. After reading the article, everything cleared up - they are just reselling underwear that was returned by costumers, which is something completely different. I think it would be a good idea to prohibit the the sale of underwear already worn by others for obvious hygienic reasons.
Over here in Germany, it is forbidden since a long long time already (has ever been that that way afaik). Underwear (and bathing suits as well) are explicitly exempted from the return policy, and you're not allowed to try them on either. Often, you'll also find signs that it's not allowed for hygienic reasons.

ashuri2
Jun 21, 2004, 14:54
<eeeewwww>. usually in stores around here, they have these thin pantiliner things in the dressing rooms that you're supposed to put on when trying out such clothing, but i wonder if anyone really uses them.

-]5pace.pirat3]+
Nov 26, 2004, 15:27
its..... sharewear! you guys are thinking of it all wrong, the sanitation multiplies with each new person who used the underwear! not the other way around :cheer:

sadakoyamamura
Nov 26, 2004, 18:06
Uhhhhhh, that is icky, even if let's say the merchandise was used for just a short period. Do we call 'em, Second Hand Underwear? :giggle:

5pace.pirat3]+']its..... sharewear! you guys are thinking of it all wrong, the sanitation multiplies with each new person who used the underwear! not the other way around :cheer:


Funny :D :lol:

MWThomas
Dec 1, 2004, 05:40
How widespread is the resell of underwear in Japan? If understand correctly, women's under garments are resold in an unclean state for sexual gratification, are they not?

TwistedMac
Dec 1, 2004, 10:26
How widespread is the resell of underwear in Japan? If understand correctly, women's under garments are resold in an unclean state for sexual gratification, are they not?
... uhm... yeah, horny old men buy dirty panties to whack off to/with.

mad pierrot
Dec 1, 2004, 23:44
... uhm... yeah, horny old men buy dirty panties to whack off to/with

Or tourists with a sick sense of humor!
(My friend bought some to give as "souvenirs.")

:blush:

sadakoyamamura
Dec 2, 2004, 18:45
Ohhhh mmyyy gooossshhhh!

That is really sick.

Is this limited to the men only or do some women buy that stuff too for uhhh for something kinky? :?

TwistedMac
Dec 3, 2004, 00:54
I would think it very uncommon.

-]5pace.pirat3]+
Dec 3, 2004, 11:06
ew :mad: the only kinky underwear i want is strawberry flavored :ramen:

Uncle Frank
Dec 3, 2004, 11:20
... uhm... yeah, horny old men buy dirty panties to whack off to/with.

I steal mine off the clotheslines, I like it clean when I try it on!!

Ol Uncle Frank

:D :p :blush:

5pace.pirat3]+']ew :mad: the only kinky underwear i want is strawberry flavored :ramen:

DON'T DO edible panties if you have a beard, takes days to get the sticky residue out!!

Ol Uncle Frank

:D :p :okashii: :blush:

-]5pace.pirat3]+
Dec 3, 2004, 11:31
well in that manner i wouldn't have much trouble because my "beard" is well trimmed :angel: but i'd rather eat it(off of someone), like i eat strawberry preservatives out of the jar ect :ramen: :bluush:

isayhello
Mar 13, 2005, 07:15
The burusera-shops (used underwear-shop) are amazing!!! I mean, to just get the IDEA of selling dirty underwear... haha HAHA! *acts insane* I am truly fascinated by these shops. And I think, they are more popular than you guys might think. There are various such shops in Tokyo. The shops also sell schooluniforms and various other items that has been used and discarded by the highschool girls.
AND it's expensive too!
There are money to make in this buisness - the women who sells their underwear usually get quite a lot for the panties... *her plan incase she runs out of money while in Japan*
But.... who would wanna buy dirty underwear? It's sick and.. eww... !
But still, the burusera-shops are COOL! :lol:
Japan is a wonderful land of fetishes! ME LOVES JAPAN!

Ma Cherie
Mar 13, 2005, 07:40
Seems like another fetish to me. Re-selling underwear? Yuck. :eek:

PopCulturePooka
Mar 13, 2005, 08:21
The burusera-shops (used underwear-shop) are amazing!!! I mean, to just get the IDEA of selling dirty underwear... haha HAHA! *acts insane* I am truly fascinated by these shops. And I think, they are more popular than you guys might think. There are various such shops in Tokyo. The shops also sell schooluniforms and various other items that has been used and discarded by the highschool girls.
AND it's expensive too!
There are money to make in this buisness - the women who sells their underwear usually get quite a lot for the panties... *her plan incase she runs out of money while in Japan*
But.... who would wanna buy dirty underwear? It's sick and.. eww... !
But still, the burusera-shops are COOL! :lol:
Japan is a wonderful land of fetishes! ME LOVES JAPAN!
Ahh yes, loving something that leads to and aids in the sexualisation of minors and Japans obsession with pedophillic tendancies. Great.


As it is I never saw a used panty shop in Japan nor did I see an underwear vending machine. I know they exist but they seem rare as hens teeth.

isayhello
Mar 14, 2005, 03:16
Ahh yes, loving something that leads to and aids in the sexualisation of minors and Japans obsession with pedophillic tendancies. Great.


As it is I never saw a used panty shop in Japan nor did I see an underwear vending machine. I know they exist but they seem rare as hens teeth.

*feels stupid* Um.. I guess since you put it that way.. I don't like the sexualisation of minors or anything like that.. but, I love the crazy idea of the shop itself... just like I love the idea of karaoke or otaku-comventions or YAOI. You know? Never meant to offend... :sorry:

I know there are at least three shops like that in Tokyo, I think. But since you live there, you should know better. Sorry again.

TwistedMac
Mar 14, 2005, 03:57
Somehow I get the feeling the people that keep shops or vending machines like that might be taking the cheap way out and stocking up with clean underwear which they'll then go around farting in for half a day before they put 'em on the shelves...

So I'm guessing what these perverted guys are second hand nozzling is the fat storekeepers anus.

isayhello
Mar 14, 2005, 04:13
HAha, yeah, probably. But the shops work in the way, that the girls selling their used underwear take their picture, a picture of them in a school uniform or whatever, and the picture is then put on the outside package for the used panties, so that the customer can choose a panty and it's former owner that he likes the best... Or so I've heard.
But still - you're probably right, the shopowner wears the panties for a day or two and then puts a random girls picture on the panty. Easy as that, and makes loads of money!

ashuri2
Mar 15, 2005, 02:05
O_O only in japan....

lexico
Mar 15, 2005, 03:28
This interesting fascination for dirty undies' can prolly be explained by the imprinting on the newborn of its mother. Dogs, ducks, and emus are known to act out on the homing instinct. Nothing shocking really, the Japanese are only uninhibited. Search deep into your hearts by total seclusion from the outside world for two weeks with measured breathing in zen, and everything will become chrystal clear.

How about dirty goggles ? Now that's a difficult one to explain by the homing instinct or imprinting. Any ideas ? :evil:

Doc
Mar 15, 2005, 03:50
This interesting fascination for dirty undies' can prolly be explained by the imprinting on the newborn of its mother. Dogs, ducks, and emus are known to act out on the homing instinct. Nothing shocking really, the Japanese are only uninhibited. Search deep into your hearts by total seclusion from the outside world for two weeks with measured breathing in zen, and everything will become chrystal clear.

How about dirty goggles ? Now that's a difficult one to explain by the homing instinct or imprinting. Any ideas ? :evil:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Doc47/1128.gif

Doc:ramen::happy:

ashuri2
Mar 16, 2005, 02:06
if only the u.s. had such shops....life would be so much more interesting....

isayhello
Mar 16, 2005, 03:20
It's expensive, though. Wonder how many girls go out and buy a bunch of cheap panties and use them for a while and then sell them. No need for a part time job! XD

ashuri2
Mar 17, 2005, 00:42
i'd do it if i were desperate for money! there are worse choices for making a living! ^_^

isayhello
Mar 17, 2005, 16:30
...true...

ashuri2
Mar 18, 2005, 00:58
i'd rather havesuch stores around than to make the women feel as if they have to sell their actual bodies. that's when it gets bad...

isayhello
Mar 18, 2005, 03:47
Ya... problem is though, prostitution among teenagers is also a big problem in Japan, so these panty-shops don't seem to be the solution to the problem. But still... :cute:

PopCulturePooka
Mar 18, 2005, 07:25
i'd rather havesuch stores around than to make the women feel as if they have to sell their actual bodies. that's when it gets bad...
I've heard a few of the stores are fronts and hook up points for Enjo Kosai anyway.

I'd rather decent sex education and loving family units in Japan that teach girls that they dont have to sell their panties or have paid sex to foul old *****s to buy Louis Vutton bags to increase their self esteem.

ashuri2
Mar 19, 2005, 00:51
I've heard a few of the stores are fronts and hook up points for Enjo Kosai anyway.

I'd rather decent sex education and loving family units in Japan that teach girls that they dont have to sell their panties or have paid sex to foul old *****s to buy Louis Vutton bags to increase their self esteem.

that isn't quite what i meant, i know it isn't a solution. i was simply saying that if i were a young girl in japan who fle the pressure of wanting money to buy something, i'd rather sell my panties to a panty shop than do enjo kosai. a solution would be what you said, about the sex education and loving famalies.

isayhello
Mar 19, 2005, 01:46
True, Ashuri2.. Selling your panties is better than selling your body............... :shock:

PopCulturePooka
Mar 19, 2005, 09:42
True, Ashuri2.. Selling your panties is better than selling your body............... :shock:
Problem is this.

You go to the panty shop to sell your panties. The propriator, likely a guy with underground crime or sleze links, tells you that one of his clients likes the look of you and whats to meet you. Tells you its a good way to make some more money.

You know exactly what he means and you refuse to do it.

So he threatens to tell your school and parents (how he knows who you're parents are is a mystery or irrelevant) if you don't.

And so the downward spiral begins.

ashuri2
Mar 20, 2005, 01:39
sigh~ a better solution would be to just stay away from all this to begin with and to find some way to get rich. legally

isayhello
Apr 1, 2005, 07:51
Ok, ok: I found an adress to a burusera (used panty shop). IT's in Tokyo, in Shibuya, and it's called 'Rope'. Anyone who's currently in Tokyo should check it out if they want to! :

Rope burusera -- used panty store. has to be seen to be believed.
coming from the station (Harajuku), Rope is a little ways past 109 building (famous Shibuya mall). as you approach 109 building , turn left so that the 109 is on your right, keep going until you see a little archway on your right, with a 2-foot-tall PacMan looking creature on it. then walk one block until you see a Lawson's. left at Lawsons, go another block and the ROPE sign should be on your right.

Err... was that complicated? I'm sure you guys'll find the store! Buy panties, GO GO! :lol:

Shas
Apr 1, 2005, 09:38
i'd do it if i were desperate for money! there are worse choices for making a living! ^_^


anyone who wants to buy my worn shorts ? :D I also have to offer socks
http://www.planet-smilies.de/ugly/ulgy_24.gif

my gymshoes are more expensive though because size 15 is rare to find http://www.planet-smilies.de/ugly/ulgy_24.gif


haha

(lol the ugly smiley is the best. can we add it to the forum? :lol:

ashuri2
Apr 2, 2005, 02:02
worn shorts? no thanks, i think it mostly works for girls!

Shas
Apr 2, 2005, 02:22
"just kidding"

isayhello
Apr 2, 2005, 03:41
anyone who wants to buy my worn shorts ? :D I also have to offer socks
http://www.planet-smilies.de/ugly/ulgy_24.gif

my gymshoes are more expensive though because size 15 is rare to find http://www.planet-smilies.de/ugly/ulgy_24.gif


haha

(lol the ugly smiley is the best. can we add it to the forum? :lol:
Sure, I'll buy them! *picks out money* I'll pay... err... a dollar?
Or, no. I don't want to buy your worn shorts. :lol: I think it's only panties. And on girls... haha.

lolife
Apr 18, 2005, 05:39
All I can say is... Hehe (http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=1259&rtn=main-topten).. (Quicktime)

:D

isayhello
Apr 20, 2005, 07:05
:lol: That video is TRUE! I bet that's how they do it! :lol: Funny! :lol:

mabui
May 1, 2005, 11:44
HAha, yeah, probably. But the shops work in the way, that the girls selling their used underwear take their picture, a picture of them in a school uniform or whatever, and the picture is then put on the outside package for the used panties, so that the customer can choose a panty and it's former owner that he likes the best... Or so I've heard.


It's TRUE!!! I watched Tokyo subway monkey (tom green) and it was true. I couldn't sleep becuase I was soooo grossed out. >_<

Kinsao
Jun 28, 2005, 17:31
I've just read this thread with a kind of horrified fascination... eeeuch...

Having said that, I'd sell worn panties if I was gonna make a profit. Umm, they'd definitely have to put someone else's picture on the outside, though! :blush:

Kara_Nari
Jul 12, 2005, 16:31
Reminds me of when my friend was hostessing in Japan she got offered about $1000 for 'hair' by a customer, and so she just went to a guy friend and asked him to shave his beard for her....
Hahah I liked the add too :D

Minty
Apr 25, 2006, 06:07
I am blow out of the water by what I just read!!!:eek:

Over here in Germany, it is forbidden since a long long time already (has ever been that that way afaik). Underwear (and bathing suits as well) are explicitly exempted from the return policy, and you're not allowed to try them on either. Often, you'll also find signs that it's not allowed for hygienic reasons.

In France and Australia you can try on underwear but with your panties on. The bras are ok to try on.

In Malaysia you can't if you don't know your size you take it to the sales girls and they measure you then advise your size. Similarly you can try on bras.

ricecake
Jun 21, 2006, 00:35
Ya... problem is though, prostitution among teenagers is also a big problem in Japan, so these panty-shops don't seem to be the solution to the problem. But still... :cute:



Probably a few teen girls here and there sleep with older men for $ to purchase name brands they're dired to get,I don't think it's flourished as " an under-age sex industry " in Japan.

yukio_michael
Jun 21, 2006, 00:43
Probably a few teen girls here and there sleep with older men for $ for name brands they're dired to get,I don't think it's flourished as " an under-age sex industry " in Japan.I'll say that "prostitution amoung teenagers" MAY be a problem in Japan, but they aren't Japanese teenagers, but rather foreign workers forced into the sex trade, by either physical force or strictly to survive...

Enjou kosai started out as a game for the upper class girls to play in order to enact control over unconfident self-loathing salarymen, and moved down the food chain, social caste if you will.

Rich303
Jun 21, 2006, 01:06
Reminds me of when my friend was hostessing in Japan she got offered about $1000 for 'hair' by a customer, and so she just went to a guy friend and asked him to shave his beard for her....


Haha - That is quality story ! LMAO

I hope he enjoyed the curly clock springs.
Maybe he wanted them to cover his bald patch? Or maybe I'm being a little naive.

heliobacter
Mar 14, 2007, 16:01
Sorry for diggin' out ye olde thread, but I've just read this on Japan Today:

Hiroshima construction worker arrested for stealing 4,400 items of women's underwear

Wednesday, March 14, 2007 at 09:02 EST

HIROSHIMA \ A 54-year-old construction worker was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of stealing some 4,400 pieces of women's underwear, police said. Hiroshima Prefectural Police arrested Shigeo Kodama after they raided his home in Hiroshima's Minami Ward and confiscated some 4,400 women's stockings and panties.

Kodama faces immediate specific charges over the February theft of six pieces of women's underwear from two homes in Minami Ward. Kodama told police he had kept all the stolen underwear at his home. Police believe Kodama's lingerie collection dates back to around 2001, based on reports from women in the area who said their underwear had been stolen. Kodama was quoted as telling the investigators, "I'm very good at climbing to high places," citing his experience working on high-rises.

This really cracked me up. Especially the last quote!

:D

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/images/photos2007/nn20070314a9a.jpg

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/400999

EmperorHirohito
May 21, 2007, 20:05
After reading all the posts in this topic I can well believe that such a market exists for these items. After all in commerce you can sell almost any item to someone if the price is right and there is a supply and demand for the product.
But after reading all the posts, one old British Phrase popped into my mind, and that is this :- 'Dont get your knickers in a twist'

:-)

Ewok85
May 28, 2007, 12:12
What was said about the photos attached to the panties is true - they go for a higher price than non-photo'd panties, and most places make it a rule - no photo, no money. You can make some decent money though, 4000en a pair is not unusual, and most of the time they will block out your face. I've also seen some adult stores do discount deals where if you pose with the goods (usually costumes, but also SM goods etc) for a photo they'll give you a discount, the size of the discount being in relation to the item.

bakaKanadajin
May 30, 2007, 13:08
Man I wish I'd known about this 'Rope' place when I was there. I have to say, the panty trade is one of the biggest urban legends (well not a legend.. its true) that gets tossed around by gaijin here in Toronto. Since my return I can't count how many times I've been asked 'hey.. its it true they sell panties in vending machines there?' or 'hey, do guys buy girls used panties?' or something like that. I just have to shrug my shoulders and say 'not that I know of'...

..when in fact.. i could have had cellphone camera pictures!!
:D

Alma
Jun 2, 2007, 20:19
Man I wish I'd known about this 'Rope' place when I was there. I have to say, the panty trade is one of the biggest urban legends (well not a legend.. its true) that gets tossed around by gaijin here in Toronto. Since my return I can't count how many times I've been asked 'hey.. its it true they sell panties in vending machines there?' or 'hey, do guys buy girls used panties?' or something like that. I just have to shrug my shoulders and say 'not that I know of'...
..when in fact.. i could have had cellphone camera pictures!!
:D

:D

and worldwide, I'm sure :blush:

before I went to Japan, lots of friends use to make jokes about this to. like, to bring all my and theirs panties, and sell it there. wouldn't be suspicious at custom at airport at all :okashii::blush: more I bring, more space in my bags for things I bought there. anyways, really didn't know it was for real. would be interesting to see these shops, hmm... huh, kind of...

jguticon
Nov 11, 2007, 23:27
The burusera-shops (used underwear-shop) are amazing!!! I mean, to just get the IDEA of selling dirty underwear... haha HAHA! *acts insane* I am truly fascinated by these shops. And I think, they are more popular than you guys might think. There are various such shops in Tokyo. The shops also sell schooluniforms and various other items that has been used and discarded by the highschool girls.
AND it's expensive too!
There are money to make in this buisness - the women who sells their underwear usually get quite a lot for the panties... *her plan incase she runs out of money while in Japan*
But.... who would wanna buy dirty underwear? It's sick and.. eww... !
But still, the burusera-shops are COOL! :lol:
Japan is a wonderful land of fetishes! ME LOVES JAPAN!
You're kidding don't ya? 'cause is one of the most disgusting things I have ever here. So you are truly fascinated?

Mars Man
Nov 11, 2007, 23:39
This is a very Japanese thing in one way--the idea that an item has some connection with the person who uses it--and a very morbid thing in another way--to be able to imagine that there is anything of a sensual value about a piece of material that happens to cover a certain portion of the body that is related to the reproductive organs.

As I have said before...the asexual revolutionaries will tell you, ' hey, it's just underwear; get over it !!' (ain't that the truth !!!! )

diceke
Nov 12, 2007, 03:15
This is a very Japanese thing in one way--the idea that an item has some connection with the person who uses it--and a very morbid thing in another way--to be able to imagine that there is anything of a sensual value about a piece of material that happens to cover a certain portion of the body that is related to the reproductive organs.

As I have said before...the asexual revolutionaries will tell you, ' hey, it's just underwear; get over it !!' (ain't that the truth !!!! )
It's not unique to Japan!!!:clueless:
Anything, animate or inanimate, can be subject to fetishes. There's nothing morbid about it, it's considered as variations of human sexuality.

http://www.aphrodisiology.com/aol-fetishes
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Goldiegirl
Nov 12, 2007, 06:41
It's not unique as far as the fetish goes, but I can't find any used underwear to buy with a picture of the original wearer, and I wouldn't even know where to look. It just not advertised. That's the odd part, that it's out in the open more or less. Most perverts, or people with other odd fetishes tend to keep them secret and behind closed doors. They don't want it known.

diceke
Nov 12, 2007, 08:02
It's not unique as far as the fetish goes, but I can't find any used underwear to buy with a picture of the original wearer, and I wouldn't even know where to look. It just not advertised. That's the odd part, that it's out in the open more or less. Most perverts, or people with other odd fetishes tend to keep them secret and behind closed doors. They don't want it known.
Can you tell me where you found that in Japan? As far as I know, that's illegal, there is this Antique Dealing Law that regulates the sales of used items. Used underwears can't be sold "out in the open". I've not seen that even once!!??

Goldiegirl
Nov 12, 2007, 08:05
Sorry I don't look for perversion, secondly I can't read. I don't believe that my husband lies to me about his own country. Maybe you weren't looking for it, perhaps it's not your fetish. I did walk into a store selling sex toys and dolls...

tokapi
Nov 12, 2007, 10:11
Apparently,Japan's society commercialized those fetishes :p

Mars Man
Nov 12, 2007, 11:26
It's not unique to Japan!!!:clueless:
Anything, animate or inanimate, can be subject to fetishes. There's nothing morbid about it, it's considered as variations of human sexuality.


Yes, in one way that is correct, about the fetish thing not being only a Japanese thing, and even about the concept of an attachment existing between a clothing item (and even some other things) and the wearer. My wording was not so good on that post; I admit. This concept, however, is one that is not nearly so much a part of general Westen culture, which is the angle that I had been looking at it from.

Again, I used a bad word. To be honest, I was thinking about which word would be best, and suddenly came to a time squeeze, and just typed that in. My intention was not morbid in the usual sense, thus a bad choice of words. Perhaps the overall tone of the post can bear out what I had wanted to get across--IMHO it is a useless and silly state of mind to see 'personified attachment' to clothing items. That's what I had intended to get across.

Regarding the variations of human sexuality, I do feel I have a fair working knowledge of and I don't think there is any, or much, problem there. I agree with you point on that.

I recall on document here on TV which had a report on the buying of personal female underwear along with a photo of the person, to be packaged and resold in adult video, goods shops.

Again, it's only a piece of cloth...is what I would like to teach the world... (and it's not only this thing...as you could guess, I'm not so particular about my dress...hee, hee, hee...)

diceke
Nov 13, 2007, 17:29
My intention was not morbid in the usual sense, thus a bad choice of words.
Morbid in what sense? I took it to mean "pathological"??:clueless:
I don't agree with the trends where many behaviors, sexual or not, are treated as medical issues.

I recall on document here on TV which had a report on the buying of personal female underwear along with a photo of the person, to be packaged and resold in adult video, goods shops.
It's the kind of thing you hear a lot about, as if they are practically on every street corner, but you actually don't see them "out in the open". But then again, where there is a law, there's transgression, it may be possible to find one or two SOMEWHERE if you REALLY try hard to look for it.:sleep:

diceke
Nov 13, 2007, 17:43
Total views of this thread so far: 17,643:D:D

Mars Man
Nov 14, 2007, 22:46
Morbid in what sense? I took it to mean "pathological"??:clueless:

Yes, the idea I had had in mind was not something of a 'medical' nature, or 'psychotic' nature, but simply of a state of mind wherein an overinterpreted value is given something which clearly, by nature, has much less; all of which is due to a particular unthoughtout social norm.

I don't agree with the trends where many behaviors, sexual or not, are treated as medical issues.

With that, I too much more than not, tend to agree.

But then again, where there is a law, there's transgression, . . .

If there were, or is a law against that (selling used underwear) I would say that's a symptom of equal footing. Stealing your neighbors, or someone's underwear from their clothesline, or washing machine, would be an act with a more negative outcome, surely, and therefore a 'law' against such would be better. But if a person wants to buy and sell used underwear (with permission of the original owner who sold or agreed to its being sold) then why not?

I say, however, that if underwear were no big deal at all, then even far less interpreted value would be placed on it, and then it would be no more highly interpreted than selling used socks, shoes, jeans, shirts, jackets, hats, gloves, and T-shirts. Hey, it's only underwear, get over it ! :-)

diceke
Nov 18, 2007, 21:51
This concept, however, is one that is not nearly so much a part of general Westen culture, which is the angle that I had been looking at it from.



all of which is due to a particular unthoughtout social norm.

You have the weird definitions of "culture" and "social norm". It's just a niche market in Japan. :relief:

tokapi
Nov 19, 2007, 02:29
It's just a niche market in Japan.



Still,demand is there :blush: :(

justin
Nov 19, 2007, 14:19
Wow, used underwear. . . That is ewww! That is just wrong.

Mars Man
Nov 19, 2007, 14:45
You have the weird definitions of "culture" and "social norm". It's just a niche market in Japan. :relief:

Here, diceke, I know for a fact that you have read me wrongly. The two quoted words above are not directed towards the matter of selling the used underwear, but towards the matter of attaching personificated enegry (or however one might define or describe it) to a clothing item.

bruno
Nov 21, 2007, 00:06
This is not a Japan-specific thing.Teenagers all over the world are
active in this business.Cheap sloggies-quick pocket-money!!:p

tokapi
Nov 23, 2007, 01:02
Really ... what other societies have such fetish ?

diceke
Nov 23, 2007, 12:58
Heels are the world's No 1 fetish
So says the largest ever global survey of sexual kinks
By Roger Dobson
Published: 25 February 2007
Madonna's preferences might be surprising, but they are clear: "Shoes are better than sex because they last longer."
But, according to the latest research, surprisingly large numbers of men and women see no reason to separate the two.
Results from the largest global study of sexual kinks ever undertaken show that feet and shoes are by far the biggest turn-ons.
Researchers from the University of Bologna found that, among sexual preferences for body parts, feet and toes were the most popular, with 47 per cent of those sampled preferring them. They also found that, when it came to objects associated with the body, shoes, boots and other footwear scored 64 per cent.
"Feet and objects associated with feet were the most common target of preferences," say researchers.
The survey, based on the views of men and women, also revealed some of the more obscure objects of affection. These included 150 people with a penchant for hearing aids, and two whose hearts go into overdrive thinking about pacemakers.
Some 12 per cent were turned on by underwear, 9 per cent by coats, body fluids and body size, 7 per cent by hair, 5 per cent by muscles, and 4 per cent by genitals and body modifications such as tattooing.
Three per cent cent went for navels, ethnicity and breasts, and 2 per cent for legs, buttocks, mouths, lips and teeth.
The lowest scores went to stethoscopes, wristwatches, bracelets, nappies and catheters. Body hair, nails, noses, ears, neck and body odour all scored less than 1 per cent.
The researchers, whose work will appear in The International Journal of Impotence Research, say little is known about fetishes, and that most existing information has been based on clinical cases with psychiatric patients, sex offenders and people in therapy. The aim of their study, they say, was to survey sexual preferences in a more general population.
"In everyday usage, fetish refers to sexually arousing stimuli that would not meet psychiatric criteria for a diagnosis of fetishism. In many cases, they may simply enhance sexual interest or satisfaction rather than being necessary for it," say the researchers.
The scientists monitored activity in discussion groups on the internet that have up to 150,000 members dedicated to fetishes, although the number of people surveyed was probably no more than 5,000.
How and why people develop sexual kinks is not known, and the researchers said that despite many theories having been put forward none is convincing.
Early life events may or may not be involved, and they noted that Freud ascribed an interest in feet "to the notion that feet are a penis symbol".
Other researchers have suggested that the feet and the genitals occupy the same region of the brain and that there might therefore be some overlap.
Whatever the reason, few doubt the sexual power of a well-turned heel in a shapely shoe. Designer Christian Louboutin expressed it in simple terms: "A good shoe is one that doesn't dress you but undresses you. So if a woman is naked, and wearing shoes, she should still look nude."
Top turn-ons
Shoes
Shoes, boots and other footwear, and also some items that are worn up the leg
Costumes
Costumes and coats - this includes other whole-body wear
Jackets
Jackets and waistcoats, including other garments worn on the trunk
Hats
Hats and necklaces, plus other things worn on the head and neck
Watches
Wristwatches, bracelets, and other ornaments
http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2303022.ece


And....Total views of the thread so far: 18,204
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tokapi
Nov 26, 2007, 08:06
And....Total views of the thread so far: 18,204

This unusually high number of hits says something....:souka:



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Naturally,average netizens are attract to sensationalized topics.:bluush: